Expressing Anger in a Healthy Way - By Destroying Your Enemies

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**Rage is a powerfully misunderstood emotion.**

Animals express their anger, defend themselves, and attack their enemies.

But humans?

You’re taught to suppress your rage.

(Plus all your other “bad” emotions, like fear, shame, guilt, and disgust).

But have you ever stopped to think about why?

Suppressing your rage creates anger management issues.

All your anger wants – is expression.

It’s just energy looking for a way out of your body.

Now, I’m definitely not saying you should go out and hurt someone, attack them, or pour gasoline on them and light a match.

Nor should you hurt yourself.

But rage is a powerful emotion; it’s explosive energy.

And if you don’t find a healthy way to express your intense anger, it’s likely going to burn you from the inside out.

It wreaks havoc on your nervous system.

And … it’s entirely avoidable.

Thankfully, there are healthy, practical ways for you to release intense anger from your body.

So what exactly is rage?

Rage (or anger) is the “fight” part of your body’s “fight-or-flight” response – which helps you survive.

But being stuck in fight-or-flight mode wears down your nervous system and contributes to many immune system illnesses.

Why?

Because it takes an enormous amount of energy from your nervous system to hold in of this survival stress.

Humans aren’t meant to be in survival mode constantly, and yet unfortunately, most people are.

Releasing intense anger can be one of the most powerful and healing things you can do for your nervous system.

And we talked about how to do this in this episode of Beast Mode.

John and I are super passionate about helping people deal with their anger management issues.

But — expressing anger and releasing it from your body is not for the faint of heart.

It can be challenging.

Intense.

Scary.

And if you’re not prepared, you can hurt physically yourself (I learned this the hard way).

So — it’s important to have some basic nervous system tools or practices onboard, which you can learn about by joining my email list here.

If you have anger management issues, or need help expressing anger in a healthy way — this podcast is for you 🤗🔥

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In this episode, you’ll learn…

The various ways your can express your anger in a safe, healthy, effective way (so that it’s released from your nervous system for good!) 🥵
What it means to be “embodied” and how being in your body helps you get out of your mind 🤯
How to annihilate someone in your imagination 🔪 plus techniques to physically express your anger
The power of healing anger management issues, and how this transforms your entire life (because rage is tied into motivation, going after what you want, and setting healthy boundaries) 🙌
How to unlock the incredible healing power contained within your nervous system 🔑

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Time Stamps:

0:00 – Intro
5:35 – Catching up with John & Ellie
11:22 – Breathing and Nervous System Techniques
23:23 – Embodiment and Learning to Build Safety in Yourself
27:34 – Feeling Safe and Defining “Embodiment
41:22 – Emotional Regulation
56:14 – The Power of Your Nervous System
59:45 – Annihilation Work and Expressing Anger in a Healthy Way
1:13:25 – The Benefits of Releasing Aggressive Rage
1:19:25 – Some Comedic Relief (because we all need to laugh)
1:24:35 – Resourcing and Relaxation Techniques
1:36:08 – Wrapping Up

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Transcript:

Ellie Goode: Welcome to the Sex, Money and Rage podcast.

John Wood: Something bubbles up. You know, come on, I might have mentioned this before. We can come up all the way through the chest into the face and the chest. The face feels like it’s vibrating and twitching and like, pin the needles almost in my face and very quickly that that becomes growling, snarling. Grabbing a towel, trying to rip the towel in half. I said it’s someone’s head or neck, that I’m like literally ripping their head off their neck and it’s. It’s bizarre, like when I’m going through, I’m like this is so bizarre and yet it feels so right, like it’s exactly What my body wants to be doing in that moment. It is like if this was happening to me without these tools and this understanding, i would be terrified right now.

Ellie Goode: Hello, rages, and welcome back to sex, money and rage. I’m your host, Ellie, and I’m super excited about this episode because rage is one of my favourite things and Learning how to express it in a healthy, healthy way, because rage is such a powerful, explosive energy. It helps you go after what you want in life, be motivated, and so if you’re suppressing your rage or if you’re just not an angry person, you are missing out on so much good stuff. Today We talked about rage and annihilation work and how to healthfully express your rage. Is that a word? hopefully? How to express your rage in a healthy way? we’ll go with that one.

Ellie Goode: So I sat down with my brother, john Wood, who is the founder of rage heart, an online program that teaches people how to feel their emotions in their nervous system and in their body, and it was really, really cool. It is a little bit intense. We get into some of the details of how to slaughter someone in your mind or in in your body, and so if you need to take a break or pause at any time, please do. Please look after yourself, and I Wanted to share with you an email that I wrote, because I write about rage and sex and nervous system work and psychedelics in my emails, so I wanted to share this one, which was about rage. So here it is. It’s called you have permission to throw a tantrum in your local supermarket. Remember when you were a kid and you’d stamp your feet on the floor when you were upset. You throw a tantrum, jump on the floor to express your emotions, or remember that song if you’re angry and you know it, stamp your feet. It’s funny. Kids are great at expressing their emotions. I mean, it’s not always comfortable to watch. Kids have no filter, they just feel. Express. Kids are just themselves. They will throw things in the supermarket and start screaming when they’re angry about not getting their favourite bag of Sour snakes, banging their tiny hands on the cold tiles, crying until their faces turn red, not caring what anyone nearby thinks. So I’ve started to incorporate this childlike rage into my day-to-day life. Don’t worry, I’m not talking about throwing cans of Campbell’s minestrone soup in aisle six at nearby shoppers who block everyone with their trolley, as satisfying as that would be. I’m talking about Embodying your rage, tapping into your inner toddler, throwing a tantrum like today.

Ellie Goode: I woke up feeling ridiculously sluggish, melting into the floor like a dollop of low-fat, flavourless yogurt. But I threw my mental resistance aside, pulled on my purple running tights and tied my hair into a bun and set off with as Much purpose as a sloth. My legs started moving and soon I felt them speed up until I was sprinting. My heart raced and I felt The rage start to surge through my body. Every step I took I stamped my feet like a kid, fuelled by rage. It pushed me further, faster. I imagined the rage flowing out of my legs into the cement and down into the earth. When I reached the peak of my sprints, i started snarling, growling loudly, like a tiger chasing its prey. I drew the attention of some nearby Peruvians carrying their big bundles of leafy greens to sell at the local market, but I kept stamping my feet into the ground, just like that screaming toddler. And it felt so good.

Ellie Goode: Maybe you have some rage buried deep inside of you, or maybe it’s at the surface waiting to burst out. All emotions want is expression, and if you hold them all in, you’ll either burst, splattering yourself all over the walls of your kitchen like last night’s bolognese, or you’ll make yourself sick, because we’re all meant to have tantrums, to feel our emotions and not be judged for it, and often when these emotions come up, it’s because you weren’t allowed to express them when you were a kid. You were shamed, judged or yelled at by your parents or a teacher to shut up and be quiet, put in a timeout and Isolated because you expressed how you felt, or smacked by that hellish wooden spoon, and so you learn to hold it all in. You are punished for feeling emotions. You just needed someone to show you how to express them in a healthy way. So this email is to say you have full permission to throw a tantrum, to embrace your inner toddler, cry, stamp your feet, throw your hands up in the air, jump up and down on the spot and growl like tiger Whatever feels right for you and your body. So if you enjoyed that snippet of one of my emails, then go to sexmoneyrage.com and sign up for my free emails. They contain tonness of information and tools about how to work with your nervous system and how to release these big emotions from your body, because as you release this stuff out, you have so much more energy to do everything else you want to do in life motivation, fire, passion, creativity it all starts to flow and flow. So don’t surprise it anymore. Go to sex money rage comm, sign up for my free emails and I’ll see you there. Welcome, welcome, welcome back to sex money and rage beast mode edition.

Ellie Goode: I am here with John the one and only John Wood, aka my brother from the same mother. Welcome, i’m here all week. But yeah, we were. John was saying we should start with a bit of a life update. So, john, what’s what’s been happening in your life Lately? let’s give us all the details. I went to the dentist.

John Wood: Oh, they we think about, since last time we chatted I went to the dentist in Peru was go riveting, was interesting and I got some feelings and pretty, pretty banal Stuff stoof did a few ayahuasca ceremonies just kind of like the dentist, really just a different doctor, different sort of doctor. Someone’s just going inside and Changing things. Sometimes it actually feels like I’ve had a more Sam Pedro, i think. Where it’s like there’s this Almost like a drill into my neck And then, as it’s going, it really doesn’t feel good and then it somehow let’s go somewhere and it all just opens up, so Is that what the dentist does too, just like Drills?

Ellie Goode: away and then bam, It’s all done. What a way it’s. Like you know, we’re just feeling cavities.

John Wood: You know the dentist you are. We’re all doing on earth just feeling cavities.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, you find the cavities and you clear away the mark and then you fill it in with something you want, you know, so you go to a good way to get away some fear and some doubt, and then you replace it with Something that you want to create joy, purpose meaning Love, whatever it is.

John Wood: You want to fill it with right. That’s how our teachers have been Teaching us here, that you guys not just clearing or healing or getting a little bit of healing, you also want to be intentional about what you’re feeling it with, kind of like with the dentist thing. You don’t just, you don’t want to clean out the cavity and then have it filled up with broccoli or sugar or Yeah, did you? did you mean for that to be a pun.

Ellie Goode: When you said you want to be intention about what you’re filling it up with, being that it’s dentist, i did not. I would like to claim that, but I did.

John Wood: I’ll take it, then I’ll take it. So five points for you for finding it.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, it sounds good.

John Wood: So the dentist, what about you? What have you been doing? Ceremonies?

Ellie Goode: What have I been doing? I also went to the dentist. This is just riveting stuff, a day in the life of Ellie and John. It’s like. It’s like one extreme to the other.

Ellie Goode: You’ve got the dentist on like the low end and then ayahuasca ceremony on the other end. It’s sort of like, you know, we either go super hard or super hard and fast, or just chilling out. Yeah, what have I been doing? Just living living life, getting ready for the ayahuasca dieta that we are starting on Saturday, in a few days time, which I’m, yeah, super excited about, and just being doing some annihilation work, you know, as you do, just murdering people in my brain, which has been actually really fun. So, yeah, that’s, that’s what I’ve been up to. We can, we can get into a bit of what is annihilation work and Shout out to Seth lion I did Seth create it or, or sort of coin it or where did it? do you know where it came from? Because I first heard about it through Seth lion, but I’m sure, yeah, maybe someone else came up before. I don’t, I don’t know, I’ve never heard of it before. Maybe someone else came up before.

John Wood: I don’t, I don’t know. I’ve never asked him. He never he never linked to talk to, I think as far as I could tell, mentioned where he got it from. But, um, I doubt he’s the first person to think about this kind of thing. I mean, our dad mentioned doing this right as a way to work through stuff long before I ever met Seth, long before we ever met.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, well, I think too, in in gestalt therapy They have chair work, which is where you sit in a chair and then imagine the person you’re confronting Sitting in the chair opposite you and you basically tell them all the things you never told them, and it’s a way of you know, having a safe container where you can talk about stuff that You might never have had a chance to or been able to tell this person. So it’s kind of an extension of that, where it’s sort of Similar to that, but different, a bit more Graphic and intense.

John Wood: A little bit. Do you want to go into it now, or are you going to drop an open loop and be like we’ll come back to that in a little while?

Ellie Goode: Yeah, yeah, i don’t know. What do you reckon? Should we drop an open loop and keep people? got to keep people listening, you know? Yeah, all right, well, let’s jump into what is your favorite somatic nervous system exercise at the moment and why.

John Wood: At the moment, if I was to say, like right now, in terms of all the different little tricks, i’ve learned ways of regulating the nervous system. The thing I’ve been doing this week, really the last two or three days, i’ve kind of gone down this breathing rabbit hole. So I do jujitsu some context I’m doing jujitsu here. We’re living at about 10,000 feet above sea level, 3,000 meters, and so the submissions, with altitude and blood oxygen, getting oxygen into the blood, which then affects the immune system and sleep and recovery and all these things. So for the last little while I’ve been really passionately looking for ways to improve my how I’m, you know, i guess, reacting and responding to the altitude, to the lack of oxygen here. So that I think was on the weekend, someone, someone at jujitsu, so we had some people around. Saturday someone mentioned breathing through your nose as a way to increase carbon dioxide tolerance. I didn’t know what he meant. I already knew and this is from the nervous system, the nervous system healing approach. If I slow down my breath so that I’m exhaling longer than I’m inhaling, it’s like I’m downshifting the nervous system into a lower gear, into parasympathetic. So if I’m, if I’m stressed and worried and tired to relax. I can. Just all I have to do is I’ll have a normal breath and then I’ll just let it out and I’ll keep almost just like hang out at the bottom. That’s the best. It’s not like I’m pushing air at the whole time. It sort of slows down like it’s a. If I was to add a sound to it, like a sigh, it would be like this And then I breathe in And so by extending that out, it really does downshift. It’s like going down a few gears in the nervous system. So that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been pairing with other practices like feeling the ground, moving my head and neck at the same time as well.

John Wood: So stacking these different techniques that increase vagal tone right, which is going to there’s different ways of saying it downshifting the nervous system, increasing vagal tone. All it really means is that we’re relaxing the system, as opposed to the opposite, which is, you know, going up some gears, ginge it up to go and do a heavy set of squats or attack someone or run away from someone or whatever it is So and then just to tie off that whole thing with breathing and carbon dioxide. So there’s a way it does slow down the nervous system. But then there’s some interesting breathing things. If you do it through your nose, we I think it’s like we get 10 to 20% more oxygen by breathing through our nose, which then improves recovery, improves sleep, improves the body’s ability to regulate and again get down into that relaxed state, cause then we’re not feeling like we’re short of breath. Which people are doing this stuff at sea level? So I imagine it’s even more well not imagine it’s definitely more important At the altitude that we’re at. So nice.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, yeah, definitely. It’s something that I’ve noticed. living at altitude is just how interesting or how different breathing is up here. Even just doing a workout or going for a run takes a different kind of energy to doing it at sea level. you know, like doing like a heavy set of squats at you know, 3000 meters or 10,000 feet, it’s a whole different game to play. And yeah, like we’ve been talking about this of just, you know, getting more oxygen in because the atmosphere is thinner up here, so you know you have to breathe more to get the same amount of oxygen, or at least that’s how I think it works. So, yeah, by by breathing through your nose, like you said, again, extra, was it 20% oxygen. That makes a big difference when you’re living at altitude. So that’s, um, it’s super cool just playing with the stuff and, and was it sure? now house mate likes sticky tape to his mouth shut, so we just breathed through his nose while he slept. It’s pretty next level commitment.

John Wood: That’s one of the techniques, i think, because if you sleep with your mouth open, you don’t get as good of a sleep And then you see, wake up with a dry mouth and you generally aren’t going to be as recovered or as well slept the next morning. So you know, our roommate, housemate Sean we don’t all sleep in the same room Our housemate has, um, has taken the tape taping his mouth shut. You know, uh, taking taping his mouth shut like he’s in a BDSM scene.

Ellie Goode: Maybe he is Maybe.

John Wood: Maybe that’s what he’s doing in there. I don’t know What’s up, sean, just just a joke, man.

Ellie Goode: Dominating himself his mouth. Um, anyway, yeah, interesting. Okay, so the the breathing one has been a big for you, combining it with orienting, feeling the ground, looking around, being present in your environment.

John Wood: Well, it seems like like what I keep learning with these techniques is, you know, like when you learn the guitar I don’t have a guitar behind me right now, but when you learn to play the guitar you don’t learn everything at once.

John Wood: You don’t pick up your guitar and start to play paradise city by guns and roses. You learn how to play a D chord, d major chord. You might learn a G chord, you might learn a C, right, really basic chords, and the first time you play them you suck. Second time you still suck. Third time, maybe not as sucky but you still suck. And over time you actually learn how to play the chords pretty good on their own. And then you can actually start to string it together and do like, go from a G to a D to a C, and eventually you do that with a metronome. So then you can actually keep time. You go G, two, three, four, d to you know. You can start to bring it into a, what we call a chord progression, and over time we’re layering in increasing levels of difficulty until the point where you can actually play guns and roses paradise city. Take me down to the paradise city, you know, just in case you didn’t know what that song was, where the grass is green and the girls are pretty home. You know that’s awesome.

John Wood: So the way I approach and think about working with the nervous system and learning to be embodied, learning to be connected to myself, is. It’s very similar where it’s like learning to play a musical instrument, where you can’t just say to someone, hey, just being this is like when people say, get out of your head and get into your body. To most people who spend a lifetime of being in their head, it’s like what the fuck does that mean? Like, do you mean go do some squats? Like it’s like saying go play paradise city. No one’s, he’s never done it before. If you don’t even know what it feels like to be in your body, if you don’t know what it feels like to be safe in your body, you’re not going to be able to do it. You can’t just do it like that. So we break it down right. So then it’s like feeling the ground, looking around, noticing the breath, doing it together, doing it with your posture, doing it with gentle head and neck turning, doing it with these different techniques And gradually, you know, you learn them as separate techniques, kind of like you learn like a G and a D and a C, but over time, eventually it just becomes music.

John Wood: And so now, like, when I talk about doing the breathing, it’s not just the breathing, you know, there’s so much of there’s the breathing I’m doing, i’m keeping my eyes open, i’m feeling the ground beneath me, i’m usually integrating some form of movement. I’m not usually thinking about, oh, there’s four or five different things, i just do it, kind of like when I play the guitar. Now, i just play, i don’t think about it too much. So that’s, yeah, say, orienting and a bit of, and even like what’s so interesting about it is I haven’t been doing it too much until this week really, but and I hope, i pray I’m not a religious man, religious person, but I would sincerely hope that everyone gets to experience what this feels like at some point, which is when I do this breathing exercise and I don’t know if it’s going to do this for everyone who just like, if you were to try this right now, i don’t know if it’s going to do this for you, but as you get better at being embodied, these are the things that start to happen. My throat is a bit weird today.

John Wood: So when I do that breathing thing and I’m sitting there on the couch and I’m looking around.

John Wood: It’s not only just a breathing thing. I literally start to feel the I would call it the muscle tone right in the body. These really subtle, like a subtle bracing just starts to let go. And it’s not a conscious thing, it’s not something that I can let go. It’s not like a muscular contraction, it’s almost like a I think it might be the fascia. Either way, whatever it is like, it’s like the muscle tone was, you know, a moment ago, preparing to take some kind of action, but it’s to get up and work or just do something which is not particularly relaxing. And then when I do the breathing, i don’t just feel the breath coming out, i can feel the entire body, my entire sense of myself. It’s like it’s the whole body. It’s a physical sigh Like oh, and my hands start to relax, my shoulders drop, my legs will be like oh, i didn’t realize I was squeezing that. And you know, if I do it for a while, i just sink deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into it.

John Wood: It just keeps going deeper. It’s just like a spiral deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper until you’re yeah, i don’t know what that’s going.

Ellie Goode: I think, that’s how he became a deep ag chopper. That’s how you become deep ag chopper. Is you just keep going?

John Wood: deeper and deeper and deeper, with everything.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, deeper and deeper. That’s just life. Yeah, going deeper, but no, i love what you said about this.

John Wood: Deep ag chopper are friends with tea bag Chopra.

Ellie Goode: I think they’re cousins.

John Wood: I think they might be cousins, Do you think? do you think deep ag Chopra has tea with tea bag Chopra?

Ellie Goode: I think so, i think so, and they also chop vegetables together.

John Wood: So we explain this, because someone’s going to be listening to me and like what the hell are you guys on about? This is your joke.

Ellie Goode: I think this is yeah, this is one night. So we drank San Pedro cactus, which is a cactus that grows here in the Indies Mountains, in Peru and in South America.

John Wood: You don’t drink the thorns, by the way.

Ellie Goode: No, you don’t sit there and eat the cactus. The facilitator prepares it. They boil it down into a nice thick, sludgy green liquid And anyway. So we drink during the day and we have a beautiful time in nature, and anyway, in the evening we all hang out and socialize and compare trips or compare routes, anyway. And we were just we were talking about me and my friends I think it was Nikki and Caitlin were sitting in the kitchen having a cup of tea each And we just, i don’t know, started making sex jokes and started talking about teabagging And then somehow, i don’t know, we came up with teabag Chopra. I don’t know if that’s the best way to explain it, but anyway.

John Wood: There’s probably some pun there. I mean, i don’t know why the sex jokes always come out of these things. Some people say, cause cactus is a very. This is Sam Bedro cactus. It’s just like a giant dildo growing out of the earth.

Ellie Goode: It is a big, they say it has a lot of phallic energy.

John Wood: So maybe that’s why we all end up talking about dicks and teabags and and and and whatnot. We kind of joke about how like, maybe it’s like, maybe it’s like spiritual names as well.

Ellie Goode: We’ve talked about your name, i’ve talked about it in the rage at the day of growl.

John Wood: Just taking the daily newsletter. Yeah, i just shunned he becomes when Ellie’s Ellie spiritual name is, i just shut my pants. So maybe teabag Chopra, maybe that’s where it came up, teabag.

Ellie Goode: Chopra is a you know spiritual name for someone. Yeah, yeah, and I think you are reading some spirit.

John Wood: Maybe I can be teabag Chopra.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, you could be teabag Chopra.

John Wood: I mean, maybe that can be my name.

Ellie Goode: I could claim that for myself.

John Wood: Teabag Chopra.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, teabag.

John Wood: Chopra, that’s me.

Ellie Goode: I should. Hey guys, it’s teabag Chopra here, the founder of rage heart. Teabag Chopra, professional. Yeah, i think that would go down real well, yeah. Teabag.

John Wood: Chopra Yeah, yeah, anyway, that’s the story. So, anyway, that’s that’s the story, that’s my, that’s some context, yeah, yeah.

Ellie Goode: It was. It was funny at the time, i think Just put that out there. But yeah anyway. But no, i was going to say I love what you said about the music Teabag Chopra. I think that’s a really good analogy of just you know, like maybe feeling your feet on the ground is like playing a single note at a time. You know you’re focusing on one note, and then as you pair feeling your feet on the ground with looking around at something else you know, and then what’s your breath doing? And as you start pairing and layering these things, it’s almost like playing chords or playing a full song, sort of like you said. So I think that’s a it’s a really cool analogy And, and something that you know, you just do a little bit every day and it gets easier and more natural as time goes on, which is cool, yeah.

John Wood: It becomes. I mean, another one that just came up was like walking, like when you learn to walk.

Ellie Goode: Yeah.

John Wood: That’s it. It was the good one too, because walking is pretty verbal. You’re not thinking about walking When you’re walking, you’re just sort of feeling it all out, like when you’re one year old or however. Like I can’t even remember it, i wasn’t cognitively puzzling it out, but then you know, so you learn. It’s like this, it’s like stumbling, starting you know, just walk, but over time, over a year or two years, three years, eventually you just walk, you don’t even think about it And it’s kind of like that, like with being in your body, being embodied, like it’s a whole different thing to I did.

John Wood: Be interesting thing to touch on as well at some point is like what it feels like to be embodied, because it’s more than just being calm after a meditation session. It’s a whole different. I don’t even like it’s a whole. So I had to explain what it is for people who, because before I had sort of gotten into this stuff, i’m thinking, oh, i was. You know, i’m pretty calm, i’m in my body, like what do you mean being in my body? And then I started to learn about this nervous system and how to feel and do these different exercises and starting to weave it and learning to play the guitar off my nervous system. Eventually, it’s like like I can feel, literally feel it.

John Wood: I remember when I first got into it. It’s like feeling, not even realizing it, but until I had the experience of what it was like to not have this. But it was like all my sensation was concentrated around my head. Once I started using these different techniques, i could feel this like it’s like my entire presence started to occupy my entire body. I don’t know what you call that. You sold energy, whatever it is. The sensation was like I’d been IP for so long that that just felt like life. And then, all of a sudden, i could feel myself taking up my entire body and it’s a magical thing. It’s totally different. Nothing. You don’t get that from self help books. I never got it from meditation, all the stuff most people do. Anyway, i could ramble about the shipper ages.

Ellie Goode: Oh yeah, and I think that’s a really good point to make about What does it feel like to be in your body, because so many people are like just stop thinking, or just being bodied and it’s like cool, what the fuck does that mean? And so for me it really dropped in. When I started just touching my skin on any part of my body, like my arms or my hands or my legs, like wow, and it was almost like I was feeling my body for the first time, like whoa, i actually have a body. And just bringing, because as you bring your touch to those parts of the body, you’re bringing your awareness to that part of your body. And it was almost like holy shit, like I didn’t know I had been so disconnected from my body for so long because, like you said, we always sort of you know traditionally in our head and all the stuff that’s going on in our mind that you know, until you’ve had that experience of dropping into your body and it literally feels like dropping, you know, until you’ve had that like, i didn’t realize I wasn’t in my body.

Ellie Goode: You know, if someone had asked me to be like yeah, i’m embodied, or like what does that mean? Or you know, like you, just like yeah, but until you’re like I feel safe. You know, i would have said yeah, i feel safe If someone had asked me and yet I didn’t. It’s like a whole new experience of oh, like this is what my skin feels, like Wow, and it was almost like that child, like wonder and curiosity of just wow. You know, i have a body and and I can move it and move it really slowly to bring my awareness into it. You know, and and just having this experience of wow, i’m, i’m in my body, Like you said, it’s this magical feeling. That’s, yeah, really, really cool.

John Wood: So you said something that was interesting about safety. like you thought you were safe, I’m going to be a sound. I feel like we’re going to meander a bit tonight.

John Wood: Yeah but you mentioned safety, feeling, feeling. You thought if someone asked you before you found all the nervous system, the world of nervous system healing and someone asked you. Someone asked you, do you feel safe? You’d be like, yeah, i feel safe. And then now, if you use down the line, you know we’ve talked about it And then you feel a lot safer now. So what, looking back, how did you know you didn’t feel safe? Well, how do you know that you didn’t feel safe now, even though you thought you did at the time? What? how do you know now that before you actually weren’t very safe, even though you thought you were?

Ellie Goode: That’s a good question. I guess it’s kind of like when you’re in a relationship with someone romantically and you go through a breakup and afterwards you’re like, oh my God, like I was so unhappy but I didn’t realize it at the time. I guess this kind of feels like that, just to give a bit of, i guess, context. But what made me realize was I was always anxious all the time, like every minute of every day. I was always on the go. I couldn’t sit still, i was always on my phone, you know, checking stuff. It was just like this really buzzy energy where I was hyper vigilant. You know I I would go to social events and I would be checking my watch, like, can I leave yet? Is it, is it okay for me to leave? yet I would go and sit in the bathroom just to have a breather. Like my whole system was just on overdrive and always looking for threats and, you know, looking at people. Like you know, are they going to attack me? You know, like, completely like illogical in a sense, like but, but very, very real, very visceral feeling of just this intense fear and this intense anxiety And but that was, that was my total life experience. So that was normal. I actually wrote about this in my email the other day And so because that was my normal, that I had experienced, like I didn’t have a contrast of what does safety really feel, like you know. And so I think for a lot of people it’s like when you, you know, you spend your whole life in a certain state, you just think that that is life, you know. But there’s this whole other experience of safety, like you mentioned this, this collective sigh of relief that your body does where it just relaxes, your shoulders drop. You know you’re not constantly looking around. You know I remember I would, i would always want to drive to every like, every place. So I always had an escape, you know, and I wouldn’t drink because I wanted to be able to leave at any time And and just just singing, i guess just how I thought I was always in danger. I always felt like I was in danger even when I wasn’t, but I was so used to just being in that hyper vigilance. So I guess that’s having that contrast now where I feel so much safer I’m I’m not checking my phone all the time, i’m not looking for an exit strategy at every social event that has given me that contrast of oh wow, like I feel safe And I’m able to be in my body. You know, i think I wasn’t in my body for so long And being in your body creates safety, because when you’re in your body, you can take action.

Ellie Goode: You know, when you’re always in your head, you know it’s like you forget. You have this body, you have hands, you can push people off you if you need to, you can fight like, you can literally take action using your physical body in whatever way that looks like, and so there’s a huge element of safety that comes from being in your body, which is, i guess, the contrast where I’m at now, where I feel a lot more empowered to no, okay, i can do XYZ in these situations, and so my body is relaxed because I feel a lot more prepared in just life. So I guess, yeah, that’s sort of the contrast of the before and after.

John Wood: Yeah, Right, and what about, like, the thought that comes out to me? I’m just playing devil’s advocate because it’s interesting Totally, when you say, like being in your body is a whole thing. like if I was, you know me, a few years ago, who hadn’t really done a lot of this stuff, i’d be thinking, well, you’re in your body, like what are you talking about? I’m looking at you, you’re in your body. So, like if we were to define, i mean I might have explained it. I’m curious how you would define. what do you mean when you say someone you were in your head or someone’s in their head? How would you actually define that?

Ellie Goode: Yeah, i guess for me it was like. It was like I didn’t have a body, like it was like I could see my body but I couldn’t feel it. So I remember, cause I would do somatic sessions but this counselor and I literally felt like a detachment from my head down And so, or from my waist down sometimes, like it was.

John Wood: What do you mean? you felt it Like. What did it feel like to you? You mean you couldn’t feel anything down there.

Ellie Goode: You felt like you were floating in thin air. Yeah, like it was almost like.

John Wood: But you could feel to some degree right. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to walk around and you would probably break your leg and crash your knees.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, like I wasn’t aware of it, like I wasn’t aware that I had a body, like it was like my body didn’t exist. I don’t know if that makes sense, but it was like I mean, i would go to the gym and I would walk, but I wasn’t aware that I was walking, if that makes sense. Like I wasn’t aware that I was moving, i just it would just happen automatically.

John Wood: So there was a very big What were you aware of in those moments, Like if you weren’t paying attention to your body? what were you paying attention to?

Ellie Goode: Whatever I could see in front of me. So I was just always focused on the environment, and I guess that comes back to the hypervigilance, where I was always looking at everything else and everyone else And I didn’t have any internal awareness. I didn’t have any awareness of my physical body. All I had awareness of was my thoughts. And even I wasn’t aware of my thoughts. I was just lost in the thoughts and in those realities Like what do you?

John Wood: mean You thought you were your thoughts.

Ellie Goode: Totally So. I wasn’t aware that I was thinking, i was just in the thinking and thought that was me, you know. And yeah, like I said, like if I was going to cook dinner, like my whole attention would just be like on what I could see in front of me, so the vegetables, the food, whatever. Or when I was driving, like it was always, it was like my awareness and attention was always externally focused, because I guess, when you’re in that hypervigilance state, you’re always looking for a threat, you’re always looking externally, you know, And that was just where I was at, and so that’s what I’m saying. Like, when I started touching my body, it was like, oh my God, like I have a body. It was like the first time I had ever had an awareness that I had a physical body, which is just crazy to think about. But that’s just how I lived And I think, how a lot of people live, you know. Yeah, if there’s, does that answer your question? Like, what about you? How? what does embodiment mean to you? Or to be in your body?

John Wood: The simplest way that I’ve currently got of explaining it is it’s just thinking versus feeling. So thinking is I can think I have a body, but that’s a thought. So I can go, i have a body, i have a hand, i can go to the bathroom, i can walk around in the world. These are all thoughts. That’s not actually experiencing the body. I can have a billion thoughts about the body, or what we call the body, but none of those thoughts are what they’re referring to. This is a bit of a meta kind of thing. So that’s why I’m sort of pushing you on it, cause I’m like I think some people will be like well, of course you have a body, i can see you have a body, and you’re saying you have a body, like you have a body, you’re in your body. But I think that that’s the way that makes sense to me is you know, i can be walking through the world and navigating and doing things with very little awareness. I guess how. Like you know me being a skeptic, i think we have to have some awareness of the body, Otherwise we wouldn’t go to the bathroom in time, we wouldn’t know when to take a dump, we wouldn’t know when to go to bed, all right, we would have no indication of these things. We’d never feel tired because we could, because these are all physiological things. So even people who don’t feel quote unquote feel their body. I imagine that a lot of us do. It’s just learning to start to tune, tuning into these things. But, yeah, the obvious way for me to and I think about like me before, like I can think and think and think about this and that and try and solve all my problems through thinking To me being in the body. I mean it’s tricky because part of it is just a feeling thing. Like, can I feel my feet on the ground right now? Can I feel my hands while I feel like I’m holding my hands? Can I feel myself holding my hands while feeling my feet on the ground? Because mindfulness right, the devil’s advocate in me wants to go.

John Wood: Well, mindfulness teaches you to close your eyes and you track your body, you track sensations in your body And I’ve done lots of that stuff, plenty of meditation, 10 years of meditation before I found this way of working with the nervous system and being embodied And it’s really for me and I think for a lot of people it’s a different thing. It’s not the same as just sitting down and tracking sensations in the body, and we both know people who meditate and do a fair amount of mindfulness, and I don’t think I would really use the word embodied embodied to describe some of these people. So you think meditation will do it, and it didn’t for me, and it doesn’t seem to do it. I don’t think I’ve met anyone who meditates a lot, who is really embodied, so I don’t know what it is about meditation. I do wonder if it’s partly the eyes, once we open our eyes.

John Wood: Seth talked about this in a podcast I did with him on the Rachel podcast, but about how trauma, the reason we disconnect from our body right As we go through things, severe amounts of stress, bad things happen, in other words, and as a result we disconnect from the body but that these wounds happen in connection to the environment. So if we shut our eyes and we disconnect from the environment, i’d love to see some science on this, but I’ve seen it in myself, i’ve seen it in other people. It’s like there’s something about having the eyes open while feeling internal sensations being out of balance, external with the internal. So thinking and feeling is probably that it’s thinking versus feeling. Thinking being thinking. Feeling is taking us in towards embodiment, to be connected to sensation. Right, there can be physical touch sensations butterflies in the stomach, tension in the shoulders, can be sensations of heat, temperature, movement inside the body. You know the gut shifting around But there really is, there is something to be embodied. It really is a specific thing which is different from meditation and breathwork and everything else.

John Wood: There’s a very specific quality that arises when I’m in that state and the easiest way I have of explaining it to people, or the way it’s really the easiest way to probably explain, you still get someone to do it, but I guess it depends on where someone’s at in their own journey whether they can connect to it, because I’ve met people who they just can’t feel anything.

John Wood: You can tell them to feel the ground and they’re like I can’t feel it, i can’t feel anything. That’s there, you know, and so for me it’s if I just feel the ground. It doesn’t really do it. It’s when I pair multiple points of awareness together. So the ground is one, the environment is another. So looking around it works a lot better with my eyes open. I can do it with my eyes shut, but it’s there’s a tendency to drift off somehow when I shut my eyes, so it’s feeling the ground or the chair, while looking around and noticing my breath and weaving these three things together, and when I do that, there’s just it creates such a sense of that’s, that being in the body.

John Wood: And you’re not thinking It’s such a funny thing, cause it’s. Yeah, i mean, one of the defining features is, yeah, you’re not thinking, but at the same time it’s not just a silent, it’s not like you can meditate for an hour and your thoughts will slow down quite a bit. I’ve done that, but that’s not what this is. For some reason, it’s just that, like, i’ve done the plenty of that and that was that’s that’s. Maybe it’s that that is almost there, but because it’s disconnected from the environment, it doesn’t have the same embodied quality. But whatever it is, however we describe it, it’s fucking a magic.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, it really is, and I think the movement is also a big one. Like when I think about mindfulness or meditation, it’s like sitting very still, sitting very upright. You know being in that one place, shutting your eyes, you know everything is very calm, whereas the embodiment is something that you can, you could do with movement. You can do it when you’re in the shower, like you can do it when you’re washing the dishes or traveling on a train, like it’s. It’s literally not something you have to sit down and do, it’s something that like it’s a way of being, it’s a way of living where you incorporate all of these different tools into your life constantly. There’s probably another difference between being embodied in the meditation thing.

John Wood: I guess the you know, a friend of ours is very much into mindfulness And I’ve mentioned a lot of this stuff to him And you know, i know he’s. He’s criticism right now would be well, mindfulness. You go to a meditation retreat, you’ll do like a walking meditation, so you’ve got your movement And you’ll also mindfulness. You know there’s probably mindfulness books to talk about, yeah, being mindful as you walk and as you do the dishes, and you know this just sounds like mindfulness. It’s weird, cause, like I’ve done mindfulness, i’ve done meditation retreats And it’s never been like this. It hasn’t just, it just never. I don’t know what it is about. Maybe something was wrong with me, you know. Maybe the problem is not mindfulness, Though judging by all the people who meditate, i think meditation is a different thing. There’s something about this coming into the body which for me at least, and I imagine for you, it’s been the best, the best thing.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, and it’s something that you know people probably have to experience for themselves, because it’s such a hard thing to put into words, because you know the kind of aren’t really words to describe the feeling that you experience or what is going on in the body. It’s something we’ve talked about of. just how how do you describe this to someone who has never experienced it? And it is difficult.

John Wood: You know one way.

Ellie Goode: What’s that One way.

John Wood: You know, one way that just popped into my head. Yeah, one way to explain it is like I mean, i’ve got some testimonials here from stories from people and I’ve given them these techniques. One of them is it’s like I’m conscious I think one of these people even says that I could even bring it up It’s like I’m consciously activating a flow state. You know, like we think about a flow state as we were doing some kind of sport, we enjoy doing some work, we enjoy And we go into this space where time and disappears, the mind disappears, we are just totally absorbed in the moment And the embodied state is a bit like that. It’s not exactly the same but it’s similar in the sense. But like I’m consciously activating this mind free state. And then you know, i know this is something that the masturbation claim, that meditation, claims to do, but this just does it better.

John Wood: Let me find a few stories. So I showed it to one guys, this is Logan, right, he’s one of the first subscribers into Raichard, but the email list, which is free, and the Academy, which is paid. So I shared the techniques that I just gave here and he said it was definitely harder than I expected, but once I got used to it. It silenced my mind like never before. That’s one description.

John Wood: That’s awesome, Where is it? And I guess cause like everyone’s gonna have a different way to explain it too, which is cool. Yeah, so, like I think another one I’ve heard is it’s like I’m consciously activating a flow state Was one thing I’ve heard.

Ellie Goode: Or there was another guy who said, like you know, he had these really big, powerful emotions come up and he didn’t lose his shit. He was like able to just stay present and feel it. And so he was like it wasn’t that it made it easier, it got rid of it, but he just had a greater ability or capacity to handle it, which was really cool.

John Wood: Ah, ah, yeah, I mean he’s. I can bring up a story here. He was saying he was at work, he had some like a really triggering thing happen at work. It’s a bit of a long story, he says I literally almost literally ragequit because of the rage in my heart, making a joke about rage art, but luckily I was able to ground myself with the orienting practice. So learning to orient to the safety and the environment, feeling the ground, these kinds of things. And this is where it’s interesting. He says it wasn’t a fix from experiencing the emotions. I don’t think that’s the purpose anyway, but it did. It did really help prevent me from losing myself to my emotions.

John Wood: Now, what’s interesting? there is, like some people I can, you know, i feel like the criticism would be like well, it’s what meditation does And in my experience, like I said, i meditate for 20, 10 years meditation, i think, gave me, taught me, how to suppress my emotions, because I’d have a fight I’d start to have, i’d have a fight with my girlfriend now ex-girlfriend in Thailand. We’d have a fight and I would, instead of feeling and expressing my emotions in the moment, i would do what I’ve learned to do in meditation I’d just breathe, breathe through it, take a deep breath. You know, let it go, just let it be Like it was a very passive, disengaged way. It taught me to disconnect. That was my experience of it And I imagine it’s the experience of a lot of people who meditate before they find the nervous system approach. A lot of them aren’t even aware of it.

John Wood: I was not aware of it until I started getting into this stuff And it’s like, oh, i do have a lot of emotion, it’s all here. I just wasn’t, and that was that’s one thing that actually happened with this being in the body One. You know, like I said, i meditate for a lot before this, before I got into the nervous system world And well, but I don’t think I was feeling different emotions that were coming up. But within a week or two of doing these practices some of what we’re sharing here there were some things going on in my life that were part of this, but I was like furious about something that was happening and also heartbroken, so I was like angry and I was crying at the same time some days, and what created the space for that was coming into the body. There’s something. So the more connected I am into the body.

John Wood: It’s not a way to get away from emotion, away from feeling. That’s where the feeling is And so, like Sonam says, his point was that it’s not. This isn’t about getting away from the feeling, this is about getting into it. But as a result, there’s no longer any need to suppress it, and we also. We don’t disconnect from it, but we also don’t get lost in it. We can be like a tree in a storm. We can bend with the wind.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, i think that’s a good point to make of just not pushing it away, like not resisting the emotion and disconnecting, but also not getting lost in it and overwhelmed and losing yourself. It’s that balance of being able to be in it and have a container around it where you can feel it, but it’s not overwhelming. And yeah, that’s a practice. But that’s to me like I think what you said about, yeah, like being a body just means feeling, because to be in your body like you’re just feeling whether it’s a physical sensation, whether it’s an emotion, whatever it is, like it’s happening inside of us. So to feel that, to feel all the different sensations, whether it’s a feed on the ground, whether it’s tears coming out of our eyes, you know, whether it’s going to the toilet, like everything is a physical feeling or a sensation, and so being embodied to me just means feeling that stuff versus thinking, like you said. Yeah, Right.

John Wood: Another contrast is to like help people sort of grok it a little bit is, i think, about Western culture, which I imagine most people listening to this. You know like we’re going to be in this Western internet, digital culture. Most people wake up in the morning. The first thing they do is check their phone. Right, this is a mental activity. You’re not feeling the sensations of the body. You’re scrolling through Facebook, checking WhatsApp, whatever it is. It’s a thinking, it’s a cognitive thing. You’re disengaged from the body.

John Wood: Then we go to work work for us Knowledge workers. For most people it’s very mental. It’s not really a physical thing, it’s a mental activity. We come home, we watch Netflix TV, play video games Again, we’re disconnecting. We drink alcohol, which is a depressant, shuts down feeling cigarettes. It’s like our whole culture, society is has so much of.

John Wood: Modern society is just about not feeling, developing better and more effective ways to not feel, because it’s too painful, it’s too hard, it’s too scary, and so we live in a very, you know school is all about books, getting the right answer on a test. It’s an intellectual thing. We’re not taught how to feel. We’re not taught to understand our emotions. There’s different possible reasons for that, but you know when you’re in it. It’s like when you’re a fish in water You don’t, really, can’t see the water. Then you start to come out and you start to see what it’s like to be in touch with your body. Then you can actually start to see how little, how rare it is in different cultures Or, you know, i think more like Latin American culture.

John Wood: We’re in Peru, i think. You know, probably on average, people down here are generally more in touch with their emotions and their body and things like that. But in the West there’s so much disconnection and it’s so normal, and so this being in the body it’s about learning over time. You’re nice to watch Netflix. I still play video games sometimes, like I’m not saying I never do these things, but it’s starting to create space to feel as well. It’s not about always feeling. The mind is a beautiful thing, just bringing them into balance. As one of our teachers likes to say Mind and body balanced, not, whereas right now, like in our culture in the West, it’s like 99% mind, 1% body.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, I think that’s a good point to make of just you know you don’t want to, just like you said, always be feeling, always be in your body, because you need cognitive function, you need to think, you know and think critically and analyze and, you know, perceive just life, And so, like you said, it’s not about always being in your mind or always being in your body, but having that balance and having yeah, having them come into alignment, which is cool For sure.

John Wood: Because, like maths, you’re going to do the math. Like maths, if you want to write a story, if you want to start a podcast, these are, you know, there’s a lot of mental activity there. You have to go online and read some stuff and click around, like it’s a fairly mental, cognitive thing you know. But sex, you know, music to some, like so many of the things we also like and enjoy, our feelings, and so, yeah, it’s not about always feeling or always thinking.

John Wood: Yet to be able to do both, you know, if I’m always feeling, everything gets a bit stuck, if I’m always thinking, everything gets a bit stuck. But if I can go and do some thinking stuff, do some work, and then I can come out and sit in the garden and look at trees and fill my body on the ground and blah, blah, blah, it works really well. And so that’s really what I mean. That’s what we’re both trying to do. I think I’m doing with rage, art and you’re doing with sex, money and rage, but what we’re trying to do is bring more of this, these tools, yeah, these tools to the world and help people feel, learn how to feel, because it is it can be terrifying, as I’m sure you’ll agree, like if this whole path can be absolutely terrifying, but I know for me it’s also the most rewarding, meaningful, beautiful, magical thing I’ve ever done. So it’s despite the challenges. It’s 100% worth it.

Ellie Goode: If you’re listening to this and thinking, that sounds great. I want to learn how to feel. I want to go into my emotions and learn about my nervous system. You know, maybe you’ve tried psychedelics and you’ve had these crazy experiences, but you don’t know how to integrate them and come back to life. If you want to learn about your nervous system and how to release this vital flight, survival, stress from your body and learn how to feel safe, then also go to sexmoneyragecom. Sign up for my free emails. I talk about all of this stuff and more, and I’m super passionate about it because I’ve seen the transformation in my life, in John’s life, in lives of people who are doing this work and, yeah, being part of a community of people doing this work, it makes it so much easier. So go check it out. Sexmoneyragecom. It’s free. I send about three to five emails a week of just stories of how I’m working with this stuff and just practical tools so that you can do it too. So go to sexmoneyragecom.

Ellie Goode: I think that, yeah, like there’s a reason people don’t want to feel right, there’s a reason. I talked with Jack about this on the podcast. There’s a reason that this stuff is buried. There’s a reason that people want to think all the time and be in their mind, right, because feeling is hard, it’s fucking terrifying, like you said, i mean, there’s been times where I’m like I feel like I’m losing my mind, i feel like I could end up in a psychiatric ward, you know, and it’s not for the faint of heart, for sure, and I’m like I came to the understanding that I’m not going insane, like my mind is just telling me that That’s just a story. It’s just that I was feeling some really intense fear and terror that was coming through my body. But it can get really hairy And I think that’s where it comes back to that the orienting and being able to stay connected to your environment so that you don’t get lost in those emotions. And that’s something that I’ve been really practicing, because when you’re focused on the emotion or focused on the fear, like, yeah, it makes it grow, it makes it seem way bigger, whereas if you can feel that fear and also look at the wall and feel the ground, then you have this external container that’s holding that fear and letting it come through, versus getting lost in it.

Ellie Goode: And yeah, it’s almost like you know, whether you want to or not, this stuff is in us, in our bodies. So we can either keep living our lives and we’ll feel it Like we’ll deal with it in our life, Even if we’re not directly dealing with it. It’ll come out and manifest in, like you said, addictions, and you know, smoking and alcohol and you know all these different unhealthy ways Or we can, you know, go into it head on and feel it and then release it from our nervous system, release it from our body And then, like you said, fill that with something else magical, fill that with you know, joy, or create something beautiful that we’re passionate about. And so, yeah, like it’s, it’s hard but it’s, like you said, the most rewarding thing that we’ve both ever done. And that’s why we want to talk about it and why we’ve both started podcasts to talk about it, because you know it’s super powerful stuff. It doesn’t make sense.

John Wood: Yeah, because the bizarre thing too emails. I did a, did a promotion with a website, i think, last week, big psychedelic website And so I had a. You know more than a hundred people come over to join me at the Daily Growl It’s at Raychartco. But people came over and then there was this guy. There’s several people really. They’re like I don’t know.

John Wood: One guy was like how have I never heard of this? Like I’ve been meditating, i’ve done Joe Dispenza, like I’ve done energy work, i’ve done so many you know, down the middle, like, like common things that people do, i’ve done stuff that’s it’s crazy and out, you know, sort of the most people don’t know about And I’ve never heard of this. And yet it was blowing his mind because he’s like I think this might actually explain some things that I’ve been dealing with for 40 years. He’s not the only one, and you know, this is what it was like for me too. It’s like how is this stuff so good? Like so next level? It’s like it’s similar to what all these other different, all these different systems meditation and mindfulness and yoga and presence, different presence practices and breath work, therapy, life coaching, journaling, gratitude lists like they’re all really working on the same thing, which is how do we be happy healthy mentally, emotionally, physically And finding this nervous system approach was like Oh my God, this is like this is.

John Wood: so this is next level. It’s like someone figured this out And yet this is three, four years ago. Still very few people know about it. We’re in Peru and the sort of you know psychedelic wonderland. Basically there’s, you know, psychedelics everywhere here, so people who are doing psychedelics for healing and everything like that, and even down here most people. It’s still not very well known here. It’s the weirdest thing, so that’s why we’re here. It’s like you gotta check this shit out.

Ellie Goode: Check out the somatics? Yeah, definitely. It’s exciting, i think, just to talk about it, you know, and to spread awareness, because for me, like I mean, this is something we’ve talked about too And and I’ve talked about in the podcast is just the thing I love the most about the nervous system work is it’s so scientific, it’s totally scientific. There’s, you know, research and studies that back it all up and knowing, oh, like, when I’m, when I go through something in life, if my, if that situation or event activated my survival response in my body and I went into fight or flight or freeze, depending on the situation, like it’s just a survival response, there’s nothing wrong with me, this is something that my body has done automatically to survive, and it just, it takes the blame out of it, it takes the shame away where it’s like, oh, okay, there’s a reason this is happening, you know, and I think it’s you know, so often it’s like, oh, there’s something wrong with me. Or you know, why can’t I just be relaxed, why can’t I just, you know, can I sit together? or why do these things trigger me?

Ellie Goode: And by having this nervous system and scientific framework, it just makes so much sense And it has such a great way of explaining, like, what’s going on in your body, that it takes the blame out of it and the and the. You know the fault, because it’s just like this is a survival response. That makes total sense that you would respond this way And once you learn to release that survival response from your body and complete it, then it will release and it’s not there anymore until the next one comes along. But you know what I mean. It’s. It’s really cool, yeah.

John Wood: On that note. On that note, tell me about your murder experience my murder experience.

Ellie Goode: It was murderous.

John Wood: Annihilation work.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, so yeah, annihilation work I want to shout out to, yes, ethily and I’ll I’ll link to his he’s got a really good blog post on this is when it’s okay to annihilate someone. I think is the title. But yeah, basically what happened? I was feeling just a lot of rage for just something different, anyway, and I was sitting outside in the garden and I was just came into my head. All right, i think I need to do some annihilation work, which is basically jump in, if I, if you want to add anything at any point too, but basically, when you have rage towards a certain person, having basically confronting them in your mind and destroying them, now, before you do that, it’s, i think, important to realize that you’re not actually trying to attack the person in a pure soul form. So what Seth, i think, explains to do in his blog post is so what you do is you separate their highest self or their pure soul, innocent self that they were like when they were a child, put them separate in a bubble, and then it’s kind of like when we go through these shitty traumatic experiences, we create almost a persona in our mind of like this person is XYZ And it’s like that’s not entirely who they are Like. At some point they weren’t like that. The things they went through in life made them that way. And so we have these, i guess, images or ideas of this person is this, and so that’s what we’re murdering not the actual soul of the person, but the construct, i guess, or the image that we have in our minds. And so I sat down and I basically got everyone that I was raging about in a room and I tortured the shit out of them And it was pretty wild the stuff that came to mind Like it was like a soul movie, it was like next level, yeah, and it was just interesting seeing that rage come to life And in giving that a voice, because we all have this murderous kill energy in us.

Ellie Goode: Jocko talks about this And if we don’t give it an outlet, like it’s going to manifest in really unhealthy ways. So throughout the process I felt guilt come up, like how can I be imagining this against these people that I love? How can I be so awful? And I just turned around and murdered the guilt and imagined just putting a blow torch on the guilt And I was like get fucked. Basically Because it really helped channel all of this rage into destroying this thing, how these people had treated me.

Ellie Goode: Because when we go through these experiences, often we have this response from our nervous system of I want to fight back, but it’s not safe to, or you don’t want to kill your parent or a friend, and so we hold this energy in, but it needs an outlet. And so this is a healthy way, where we’re not talking about going and attacking these people in real life or physically not at all, totally, do not do that But it gives you a safe container to be able to use a visual in your imagination to go in and slaughter the shit out of someone, which then releases that rage And I feel so much better today for it because it’s got it moving. So that was my experience. Feel free to correct if I’ve missed anything. Yeah, I’ve never explained it before, so it’s a new thing.

John Wood: Yeah, i mean yeah, when I went five, six years ago if you say that you ever get angry, john, or someone asked, my ex-girlfriend used to ask me you ever get angry? And I’d be like no, I’m just not an angry person I thought it was a good thing. I meditated And I’d done all my self-work, I’d done my breathing practices. I didn’t get angry. And then one day I realized that I did have some anger, expressing anger. And there were some small things. But then I went through an experience in 2000 and started in 2019, late 2019, with some very I might have mentioned it before on here, anyway but some abusive life coaches. A whole bunch of fucked up shit happened that led to me losing a relationship with a woman I was totally in love with. I was already thinking about kids and babies and all that stuff. Kids and babies I was thinking about babies and marriage. What am I meant to say? So it was like just to give you an idea of how serious it was And I left that country because I did no longer feel safe being in this country. So it was traumatic in varying ways. It’s just a long story. I don’t want to get too into it now. Off the back of that.

John Wood: I ended up back in Australia And, as I was learning to work with the nervous system be more embodied, this anger, this rage, it kept coming up And it was unreal. I remember walking, going for a walk in the town where I was staying at the time And the things I wanted to do to this couple shocked me Like. I don’t know if I’ve done the annihilation thing yet, but I could just feel I could see this desire to absolutely destroy these people for some shit that they had done. And what was really cool was in the past, growing up, we grew up going to church every week You’re told to turn the other cheek. Expressing anger kind of gets a bad rap. But by this point, when these thoughts and this anger was coming up, i’d been learning about my nervous system for maybe six, nine months by that point, and so I had a basic understanding.

John Wood: So what Ellie’s talking about is we’ve got when there’s a threat, and if it actually is a threat, we’ll look and orient towards the threat to see if it is actually a tiger or a bad person And if it is, the body’s going to mount a fight or flight response. So there’s going to be a release of a bunch of hormones, adrenaline, a whole bunch of stuff, a whole cascade of fun stuff goes into the body To fuel. I see the fighting back or running away. So if we think about the fuel emotionally, as though I think about it, is fear is the fuel of the flight response. If we feel afraid, we want to leave wherever we are, And if we’re angry we want to attack. So that’s how I think about it.

John Wood: There’s a simple way to look at it Is fear is the flight response, expressing anger is the fight response. They’re very closely related, because I wouldn’t be angry if I wasn’t also afraid. So it’s very similar. Maybe it’s the same energy, just expressed or directed in different ways. But having this basic understanding that humans, mammals, we’ve evolved over millions, millions and millions of years to have this hardware, a nervous system in our body that responds in this way to threats, helped me in this situation with these people. Instead of feeling guilty for how angry I was, or guilty of having thoughts of literally killing them in the most violent, twisted way as possible, having those thoughts there and the energy there, the impulse there, instead of blocking it. Oh, i shouldn’t feel like this. Oh, and this is not spiritual. Oh, i just need to turn the other cheek. I just need to forgive. Yeah, i just need. If I could just forgive them, everything would be OK.

Ellie Goode: The dreaded F word You know.

John Wood: I’d heard all that shit, right And. But having gone through this fight or flight, learned about the fight and flight response, it’s like, OK, my body has generated That’s, a bad shit happened. Someone crossed the line with me, they messed with me in a big way, with my mind, with my life And with that nervous system model. It’s like the appropriate, normal, healthy response is to be fucking furious. If I didn’t feel anything, that would be a really bad sign, the fact that I was feeling angry and pissed off with a desire to perk. Instead of that, seeing that as a bad thing, i saw it as a good thing, a healthy thing, an expression of my nervous system wanting to do what it has been designed or evolved to do. So that’s just some context for it, because I think in our culture expressing anger gets such a bad rap. You either have people who don’t have any anger at all like me I’m just not an angry person because they’ve learned to hide their anger, because it’s not safe to get angry, usually with their parents, but can be with bullies just throughout life. Then you get other people who are completely out of control with expressing anger, and abuse and hurt and hit and abuse. They explode on the people around them inappropriately, and so we have a really bad relationship with expressing anger in our culture. And this is why this work is so interesting, because it’s like, oh OK, here’s the way the system is meant to work. Here are some techniques to work with. Now The problem is you mentioned like an isolation work. Where that comes in, i have this desire to kill literally these people. They’re in a different country And I would never actually go and do this. This is all hypothetical, but the impulse was there And I could feel that And I’m going OK, that’s my fight response.

John Wood: Now, what I also knew is, again with the study of the nervous system, is that that fight response wants to be completed. If I don’t express that, if I don’t do something with it, it’s like that energy just jams out my nervous system. It’s like a big traffic jam inside my body And then I start to feel anxious, i can’t sleep properly. The nervous system we’re talking about the autonomic nervous system here, which runs all the automatic functions in the body, like the heart, the skin, digestion, breathing. So if you clog that up with a bunch of we call it survival, stress, anger, that’s unexpressed energy, that’s not expressed, the system gets jammed up And all those automatic functions start to go out of whack. So I knew I’m feeling this anger. I have to do something with it, or it’s going to come back to bite me in the arse a year from now, or two years from now, or five years from now. I’m going to snap it someone around me and hurt them. So yeah, that’s why I’ve done a bunch of that annihilation stuff too.

John Wood: Or, yeah, what you said, the bubble, blah, blah, blah. It’s really. It’s imagining giving voice to the darkest, most twisted desires I have only in my imagination, by giving them voice, allowing them, giving them an outlet to express. And it sounds crazy And it’s not something I mean. This is a public article on Seth’s website, so it’s not hard to find information if you’re looking for it. I wouldn’t. I don’t know if I’d recommend this to someone who’s brand new to this.

Ellie Goode: I was just going to say that It’s very intense, very confronting Advanced technique. This should come with a warning label. Yeah, yeah, definitely Big one.

John Wood: That’s not to say someone’s not ready for it, but yeah, this is the anger is just about one of the most powerful emotions we can feel, so be careful with how you do it.

John Wood: But that’s the gist of it is giving, and this can you know. You can flip it as well, and then, ok, what about? can I imagine myself running away, getting away, doing all kinds of things? So giving these giving voice And that’s a lot of what this work is about is giving voice to things that we’re afraid to give voice to. Yeah, and I don’t know what it is.

John Wood: I’d love to see a really good explanation of why it works like this, but it’s for some reason. It’s like feelings and emotions and fire or flight responses. If they’re not expressed, if they’re not felt and expressed, they get stuck And then it really is like that. That’s like energy that’s living in the muscles, in the fascia, when we’re stuck in fire or flight, right? So if we’ve got that fight energy from our childhood because this goes back to we think about our parents, right? They do some weird shit. So it can be just emotional manipulation stuff. It can be physical abuse, sexual. The child is going to respond with a fire or flight response, but very often it’s not safe to scream at the parents, because the parents are your source of food and shelter. So there’s no way this is not conscious.

John Wood: By the way, the way the system works is it goes OK, i’m going to shut my authentic self down, my authentic feelings. I think this is why I’ve learned to shut down my anger, because I tried expressing it as a kid and did not go down very well. So the way my system responded is like OK, not safe to express this stuff right now. We’re going to lock it down in this big chest, deep inside John’s soul somewhere, and then, when he’s 33, we’re going to give him the key, 34, maybe, i think, give him the key And we’re going to open the whole thing up for him. So it’s fascinating, it’s grueling and heartbreaking, it’s magical. But I mean, what’s interesting with this energy is like it’s like potential. As the energy gets opened up and unfrozen, all that energy that was going towards anger now just becomes pure energy. It creates space, it becomes motivation and drive and purpose.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, i definitely want to echo that it’s intense work. Like I think I said, i had a whole bunch of people in there I think it was maybe five or six people, and I wanted them all to watch each other getting tortured, like it was pretty brutal, but I was only able to annihilate two of them And then I was like, ok, i need to take a break, my system needs a break, because I could feel it coming out of my body And so it’s like it does. It takes a lot of energy to release this stuff, and so it’s like not going too fast. And so, yeah, i would just say, be careful. Yeah, definitely try and do some orienting before you jump in. But also just want to echo what you said about when my kids are usually or adults.

Ellie Goode: But most of the time when my kids, like you said, we go through these situations, it’s not safe to express, and so this discharge of the fight or flight energy gets interrupted, and so by doing this annihilation work, it’s helping that fight response complete and finish, and by completing it, releases. So for me it’s like giving this stuff a voice in a safe way, giving it expression, and then, like you said, it frees you up to then go and do other stuff and be motivated and productive and go after your passion and your dreams and your goals. It’s if you’re suppressing all of that rage, if you’re suppressing all that anger and that energy, like one that takes a shitload of energy So you’re going to be like run down. But two, if you’re suppressing that, you’re suppressing your life force, your creativity, like your passion, like all of it, and so by letting this stuff out, you can just life just gets so much better. Even if it’s hard at times, it’s so, so worth it.

John Wood: We’re talking about like. It’s interesting thinking about it as aggression, like healthy aggression is one word that gets thrown around. Yeah, even just aggression. I just think about it as aggression, energy. Aggression also has a bit of a negative slant to it, but if we think about being aggressive in you can be aggressive in sport, you can be aggressive in aggressive driver, you can be an aggressive negotiator. It’s not always a bad thing Being aggressive, you can be an aggressive investor. And so aggressive points to a certain way of being or a certain energetic stance that we might take.

John Wood: And so as we as that fight energy, that aggression energy that fuels the fight, response and energy, can sometimes sound woo-woo-woo, but we’re talking about a thing that literally drives people to kill each other and fight and punch attack, like it’s a real thing. You can see it in humans, you can see it in animals. When that gets stuck right because someone’s basically been angry at various times in the past, felt that fight, response, fire up and then hasn’t expressed it That energy doesn’t just dissolve For some reason, it gets stuck in the nervous system, in the body And once that’s stuck, then we have less aggression energy to hey get up early in the morning and go after what we want whether that’s a job or a partner We lose that. It’s like that motivation is a form of that energy. It’s like they get up and go to make something happen. So that’s what you’re talking about, right? It’s as we do these exercises and start to open this up and get this energy flowing again.

John Wood: It’s not just about expressing anger. It becomes purpose and meaning and drive and life force, and that’s been. I mean, i’ve had this stuff like another variation on how to work with you. I’ve had this both with and without plant medicine Is something bubbles up. I might have mentioned this before. We can come up all the way through the chest into the face and then the chest. The face feels like it’s vibrating and twitching Pins and needles almost in my face, and very quickly. That, because I’ve learned some different techniques. That becomes growling, snarling, grabbing a towel, trying to rip the towel in half, as if it’s someone’s head or neck that I’m literally ripping their head off their neck And it’s bizarre, like when I’m going through it.

John Wood: I’m like this is so bizarre And yet it feels so right, like it’s exactly what my body wants to be doing in that moment. It is Like it’s so many times of being like man. How do people like? if this was happening to me without these tools and this understanding, i would be terrified right now. But because I know what it is and because I know how to move the energy, ok, we get the towel, i’ll get the pillow. I’ll be screaming at the top of my lungs and I know this pillow as though I’m I don’t even know what’s furious And like rolling this thing up And I mean it’s giving it again. It’s giving it. That’s a physical. You talked about doing an imaginary outlet, like sitting there with your imagination.

Ellie Goode: But it can be a very physical thing where it’s giving it a physical outlet too.

John Wood: Sometimes it just seems to want one or the other or both, but it’s unreal. It’s like amazing, amazing shit.

Ellie Goode: I know, like when I’m in the middle of it, i’m like how does this work? And yet, like you said, it feels so good and it works. And I think too, like Ange gets such a bad rep, aggression gets such a bad rep in society. But you look at animals, like I remember my dog and he’d be eating his food And if another dog came too close he would snarl and growl and be like back back off. Yeah, so it’s like, and like you wouldn’t judge your dog. You’d be like, yeah, that’s, you know he’s territorial, like that’s just how he is, you know it’s normal.

Ellie Goode: And yet when humans do it, it’s like something’s wrong with them, or I’m not allowed to feel this, or you know, we have all these judgments and stories around it. So, yeah, like by, but the more you do it, the more you learn to lean into, like OK, what does this emotion need? One thing I like to do is ask the emotion like how do you want to express? And that just creates an opening of, like you said, you know you might feel tingling in your body and it goes up to your jaw. Like you can start to sense these different sensations in your body, maybe like your hands start to, you know, start clenching like into a claw shape. Maybe you want to start like growling. You know it’s really leaning into like how can I embody this emotion in a almost an animalistic way, you know how, because that’s what gets it moving right.

Ellie Goode: So it’s a lot of fun in a lot of ways. Like when I’m ripping a towel in half, i’m like this is so fucking cool, you know. Or I’m annihilating someone in my mind. I’m just like this is like how great that we have these tools to be able to release this energy and to work with these emotions where we’re not hurting someone else, we’re not pushing this energy onto someone else and hurting them or, you know, being violent or aggressive with our words, like it’s literally something you can do at home on your own, where it’s using these tools, like the towel is not going to be like I’m dying, you know, it’s like it’s such a safe way to release this stuff It might, hey, i’m dying. So, yeah, it’s very, very cool, but yeah, that is the annihilation work, yeah.

John Wood: There you go.

Ellie Goode: There you go, you got through it. Crash course, we got through it. But yeah, if you want to know more, i will link to that article in the show notes, because he does explain it really well And there’s different levels to it as well, depending on how intense you want to go and how intense you feel capable of going as well in your nervous system. But yeah, yeah, it’s good fun. That’s why I have rage in the title of the podcast, because it’s good shit.

John Wood: I’ll say anything with rage art.

Ellie Goode: Yeah.

John Wood: It’s sort of Dragon Vu.

Ellie Goode: Dragon Vu. what was the other ones I’m trying to think Do?

John Wood: we need some comedic relief right now.

Ellie Goode: I could bring up a rage art, i think so Names.

John Wood: This has been a very serious beast mode, guys.

Ellie Goode: Serious, i know. I was trying to think of how can we insert some jokes. It’s been very like yeah, it’s like yeah.

John Wood: It needs a comedic relief. I don’t know where it is because I didn’t have a name. It’s not going to be in the rage art stuff. Was it like body Relief? What did I save it as? Do you remember?

Ellie Goode: Oh, I’m wondering if it’s the spreadsheet. It was a Dragon Vu. You said that one Comedic relief.

John Wood: Yeah, i know, dragon Vu. There was Tiger Vu. I used Vu a lot Tiger Vu, turtle Vu, turtle Vu is all right.

Ellie Goode: Did you ever do like Vu Ra?

John Wood: Here we go. I think I found it Oh you got it, yeah, vu. Ra was one of them. Vu Ra Like say Hurra, hurra, here we go, ready for it.

Ellie Goode: So, for anyone who doesn’t know, the Voo-Ahh exercise is another way to express anger, isn’t it? Because you start by going and then you go into the growling. That’s one of the things.

John Wood: Well, it can be either. It can be like a way to activate the vagus nerve But this is just talking singing. It’s like going and holding it out, like holding it for long and then going out while staying embodied. It can be a way to activate the tone, the vagus nerve to drop, to downshift your nervous system into parasympathetic Right. So that’s what the Vu, I think, did come from. Yeah, what about wild brave? What about Durga Rock? Right, That’s like Durga in Hindu means tiger.

Ellie Goode: Was it Durga?

John Wood: These are nice. So just some context, right. So I feel like what the hell are you guys talking about? So I started the company called Rageheart, right, where I teach people about, teach people, teach people like you, me to how to do these things, how to work with the nervous system in this way to do the Vu, to do the healthy aggression stuff, to feel the ground. look around all those things. You can learn about it at Rageheartco. But just for some comedic relief, we thought we’d go and look at the other names. They almost named it. Why about this one? The inexhaustible battery?

Ellie Goode: That’s gold. You should have called it that. Did you do that one? The inexhaustible battery.

John Wood: I know, right, here we go. Core, the inexhaustible battery.

Ellie Goode: I still like Dragon Vu.

John Wood: What about Chorgasm?

Ellie Goode: Chorgasm That’s actually a thing, you know. I think I was telling you about that. For anyone who doesn’t know what a Chorgasm is, it’s where you have an orgasm while doing core ab workouts at the gym. Yeah, it’s a thing.

John Wood: Exactly.

Ellie Goode: There you go. We had some sex in there tonight.

John Wood: I mean, i would love we were going to talk about masturbation, weren’t we?

Ellie Goode: I’ve never had a Chorgasm. We’ll save that till next time. Chorgasm, Maybe if I were a bup like to the gym.

John Wood: I might have a Chorgasm, you might. You might have several Yeah, they’re good fun. Or it might just pop out at the worst possible moment. I’m like at the bottom of a squat. Oh shit, pop out Like it’d be, like this sound Definitely some quality, quality community relief.

Ellie Goode: We need to like add jokes to some improvement.

John Wood: We’re just not very warmed up. We’ll be talking so much about trauma and expressing anger and it’s great stuff, but you need to laugh. This is this is resourcing, right?

John Wood: So it’s like we’re bringing people into, like oh, this is heavy shit, and now we’re going to come out and we’re going to Yeah, yeah, you even tell people like I was going to say that, yeah, talk about the importance of, especially after something like annihilation work, or even just talking about this stuff, because it stirs stuff up how to bring your system down back into parasympathetic, which is an important piece, Like if someone was listening to this, yeah, yeah, If someone was listening to this and they felt like so I would say activated.

John Wood: But if you haven’t done much of this stuff yet, activated probably doesn’t mean much to you. If you’re feeling like really tired, you maybe started to yawn a lot or if you’re feeling like the system’s changing, changing gears. If you’re fiddling, you’re like on Facebook. Now you’re on Instagram. You’re on your phone, like you’re. You’re basically distracting yourself.

Ellie Goode: I can even feel it Like I’m I’m touching my hands. I’m like you know to say you know it’s subtle, yeah.

John Wood: I’m a bit more active, but I can feel it in my stomach. It creates like a subtle activation Just talking about this stuff. It does, and so the way to the way to come out of that one way you need. There’s tons of different ways, but there’s a concept from this world called resort resourcing. So a resource is anything that helps relax and soothe your nervous system. That can be a really nice voice to listen to, like, of course, the alien eye. The nicest, softest, warmest voices in the world, soothing voices in your the dulcet tones.

Ellie Goode: The sound of my voice Having a laugh. Definitely, yeah, hopefully hopefully when the one laughs, laughing laughing.

John Wood: definitely watching comedy If it’s during the dial of nature. So going outside and listening to the breeze, trying to listen to all the different layers of the breeze, playing with a pet having a nice cup of tea.

John Wood: You can have a beer as well, like a beer will do the trick. But the idea is, as we do this work, as we get better at being. that’s what I teach people in rage art is you know, we have unhealthy ways of regulating, of soothing the system. This is why people drink. This is why they smoke, this is why we buy things that we don’t need and why we’re addicted to. some of us are addicted to porn, watching porn every day, multiple times a day.

John Wood: Right, it’s a way to avoid feeling, and a lot of that’s because we don’t don’t really know how to calm ourselves down, to calm down the activation in the system. A lot of it’s unconscious. It’s. the goal is, over time, to transition away from things that are holding us back, like alcohol. There’s not a lot of positives to alcohol, whereas quite a few negatives. and transitioning, not necessarily immediately, it doesn’t mean never drinking again straight away. It just means you know, have a little bit less and gradually, over time, we start to get, we get better at soothing and settling the nervous system, at downshifting it without unhealthy things. We can just go outside and look at the trees, read a nice book.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, definitely. I really like orienting to a cup of hot tea, feeling the heat of the cup, smelling it, watching the steam come off it. I know that’s one Irene likes as well.

John Wood: You pour it all over yourself, right, that’s the trick.

Ellie Goode: I do. I like just tip it on myself, Just, you know it’s good fun. And then I bring my shirt out back into the cup and drink it, you know, for fun.

John Wood: Are you worried? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well then, it’s like filtered. It’s like T shirt filtered tea, exactly, oh, t shirt filtered tea. There you go, you get it. T shirt tea, yes.

Ellie Goode: Thank you for bringing that down for all of us.

John Wood: I just wanted to make sure you got it. I wasn’t sure what you were laughing at I wanted to be convinced.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, yeah. But yeah, i think, yeah, i think, yeah, like after doing any sort of somatic or nervous system workers, because this is something that took me a long time even after starting the Somatibway, like took me a while to realize was I was very good at going into the emotions and feeling them and into these big charges and you know whether it’s fear or rage. I was very good at going into it and you know, embodying it. But then I found it. I didn’t really consciously bring myself out of it. You know, once it was finished I didn’t resource very much. I didn’t, i didn’t kind of bring myself down as very it was very easy for me to go up into the activation or up into the sympathetic nervous system, but I wasn’t able to come back down into power of sympathetic.

Ellie Goode: So I want to just emphasize just how important and helpful it is to just spend some time yet finding a healthy resource you know, going for a walk, reading a book, sitting in nature, because that’s that makes all the difference. It’s kind of like with the mind and the body. You want them to be in balance. It’s the same with the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system is to like bring them into balance. You don’t want to always be in sympathetic or always being parasympathetic, but it’s like, yeah, like being able to go between the two you know with with ease and smoothly, and that’s something that, yeah, i think is is really helpful. Yeah, you got any more jokes for both? For we two sides of the same.

John Wood: Yeah, jokes, jokes Are you a bit nervous, i could look one up.

Ellie Goode: Nervous and inverted.

John Wood: Why? Because we’ve been talking about the system.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, exactly.

John Wood: I’m always nervous. I’m full of nerves.

Ellie Goode: Yeah.

John Wood: I’ve got so many nerves. Well, we’re not by a riverside. I don’t know if people know we’re recording this on Riverside. Riverside is a podcast recording thing And we’re not actually by a river. Just just wanted to clear that up. So, if you don’t get too upset if you find out that we’re not genuinely beside a river because, well, technically I mean, I do have like a this Riverside mean the river is right here.

Ellie Goode: There’s a second, there’s a little channel, that here, yeah channel.

John Wood: That’s the technical term. Something I mean words, it was just words. right, it’s, there, is, i mean, i hardly call it a river. It’s like a concrete channel that they use water to move to the farms, and there’s one, not on our property, but it wraps around our back fence in the neighbors property, so maybe that counts. Yeah, it does wrap around.

Ellie Goode: to reach around reaches around a river on the side of our house Riverside. Yeah, we need to work on our material. We have a power game. Have to have to get back onto the micro dosing. The mushrooms Definitely help.

John Wood: We’ll just talk about sex instead of expressing anger.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, we’ll just talk about masturbation next time, and I’m sure there’ll be plenty of jokes that come through there.

John Wood: Masturbation, dildos and prostate orgasms. We can, we can talk about all of it.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, which is.

John Wood: It’s hard to be serious when you’re talking about that stuff. That’s true. You got to alleviate the. The awkwardness somehow is by laughing and making all these silly jokes.

Ellie Goode: Exactly So. If anyone wants to submit questions for the next episode of Beast Mode we didn’t have any questions this week, But if you want to submit questions, just send them through to lellie at sexmoneyragecom.

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John Wood: Raychart. Well, batman having an orgasm saying Raychart, he’d be like Raychart. Oh man, anyway, raychart, instead of brave heart, brave, it’s Raychartco. Yeah, and then you can sign up for the Daily Grow, which is my daily email newsletter, and you get tips from me, and then sign up to Ellie’s and get tips from Ellie.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, just the tip.

John Wood: And so now we’re sort of starting to warm up a bit more into that mode. I think it’s because we’ve been talking about expressing anger.

Ellie Goode: Yeah, we’re talking about it’s a different vibe, you know it’s yeah, it’s hard to like like talk about the nervous system and make jokes because I don’t know, it’s just not like a. Yeah, I have to work on how we can bring in some lightness, because it’s such a heavy topic that you know how can we make it fun without like losing the integrity of it because it’s so powerful?

John Wood: Yeah, Well, this is. I mean, I’ve been really like in the wheel of time. I was reading a review about him and someone mentioned committee relief He’s really good at it And I was like what’s that? And then I’m reading the book and it gets so heavy, sometimes so dark. The wheel of time is a fantasy book, kind of like Lord of the Rings, but yeah, can get very dark. People are dying like in horrific ways, and then, like out of nowhere, something really funny will happen, like just the funniest shit will come out of nowhere to, which makes it all the more funny. And so that’s the committee quill. If it’s like, oh, serious, serious, serious, serious. And just when you’re like, oh, this is a bit too much Bang, something funny happens.

Ellie Goode: All right, we need to work on that for next time. Have some have some joke jokes, lined up jokes.

John Wood: Yeah get better at banging.

Ellie Goode: Yeah.

John Wood: Definitely. Or just take mushrooms. That might help. But if we do mushrooms, we’re gonna do this in the at the start of the day. I don’t know if I want to do mushrooms right before bed. Are we still recording? This has got to be on the podcast.

Ellie Goode: Oh yeah, totally Not going to edit any of the stuff out. Maybe if anyone listens to my stuff is we’ll see.

John Wood: Yeah, i know right, if they haven’t like clicked off because they’re like fuck these, do. who are these idiots, anyway, who are these idiots? Yeah, they’re talking about anyway.

Ellie Goode: Anyway, that’s it. That’s it. I think I’ve covered my word word limit for the day.

John Wood: So yeah, peace, love, sex, drugs and rock and roll.

Ellie Goode: Peace, love, sex, drugs, rock and roll and reach hard. That’s what.

John Wood: That’s what Nikki and I say like, because we were saying like, because I think in the rave community they say peace, love, unity and respect, plur Like an MD Community, the rave community, rave community, raving like dance parties and shit. So so then I was chatting to Nikki one day and I went to say it. I was like peace, love. I forgot what it dressed up, it was just like. And then I think I just hung up And then Nikki’s like Yeah, what about peace, love, sex, drugs and rock and roll?

Ellie Goode: I like it.

John Wood: Peace, love, drugs and rock and roll or something like that, you know yeah, just a bit of both, you know so that’s my sign off this week Peace, love, sex, drugs and rock and roll, and a bit of rage too, and a bit of rage and a nine on.

Ellie Goode: John out. All right, talk to you next week Over Over. Ciao, if you’ve made it this far, you’re amazing. Thank you for listening to our ridiculous jokes. I promise we’ll have better material next time. And if you want to learn how to get out of your head and into your body, into your nervous system, and learn how to release these really big, powerful emotions and survival stress, then go to sex money ragecom. Sign up for my free emails. I would love to see you there, Yeah.